2005-03-26 [Mayuya]: But if she wants she can use them.. I always talk to her, she uses them.. so... that's not a big problem. 

2005-03-26 [morphyguy]: it isn't. i said that in the first place.

2005-03-26 [Mayuya]: ok we are done then.

2005-03-26 [morphyguy]: guess not.

2005-03-26 [Mayuya]: ok

2005-03-26 [morphyguy]: sorry, i meant to say 'guess so'.

2005-03-26 [Mayuya]: ok

2005-03-26 [morphyguy]: okay.

2005-03-26 [Mayuya]: ^^

2005-03-26 [morphyguy]: :)

2005-03-27 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: HAPPY EASTER!!!! JESUS LIVES!!!!

2005-03-27 [Mayuya]: HAPPY EASTER FOR ALL.....!!!

2005-03-27 [Lioness123]: *throws easter candy to everyone*

2005-03-27 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: MY EYE!!!!

2005-03-27 [morphyguy]: jesus is alive >again?

2005-03-28 [Rizzen]: aye. You haven't heard the story. Jesus was crusified, and three days later rose from the dead

2005-03-29 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: yes, he taught again for fourty days then went to heaven....miricles are hard to believe....but i'm a believer non the less...

2005-03-29 [Rizzen]: I try to look at miracles as the only natural thing in our un-natural world

2005-03-29 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: hahaha, yeah thats too true!!! man, let me tell you, even if i'm living in blind fath, I'ld rather put my trust in God then in myself, and hell is a scary place!!!!

2005-03-29 [Rizzen]: exactelly. There are many things we humans have no control over, but nothing is beyond the the power of the Almighty

2005-03-30 [morphyguy]: he doesn't like you, but i think you're okay.

2005-03-30 [Rizzen]: your comment was deleated because it was offensive, mabey not to all, but to some

2005-03-30 [Lioness123]: what was the comment" *curious*

2005-03-30 [Lioness123]: I can see how some people would be offended by that. But its all in the way you percieve it.

2005-03-30 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Balckfire never comes here...talk about not supporting a cause...

2005-03-30 [Rizzen]: he may not come here, but I'm his watch dog. For instance, Stimpy, you'r above comment "Bitchass, why did you mofo deleted my comment?" has already been targeted for deleation. And for the record, it was not the comment you listed that brought about the deletion, but your little laughing stint at the small girl being threatened. That sort of crap will not be tolerated

2005-03-30 [morphyguy]: what small girl being threatened?

2005-03-31 [Rizzen]: someone brought some stuff up a while ago about someone threatening his nice I think it was, saying they were going to rape her. Stimpys response was to laugh

2005-03-31 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: thats just sick

2005-03-31 [Rizzen]: exactelly

2005-03-31 [Radioactive Flea]: It was me who brought up the topic of a little girl threatening to rape my niece (by the way, I'm female. . . second time to correct you on that) and the little cumquate laughed about it. I think his mental state is still less than swamp mud.

2005-03-31 [Rizzen]: sorry bout the gender confusion. I tend to put up he or his be default. I'll try to remember for next time. But yeah, you can see why I have very little tolerance for Stimpy, no matter what he's posting

2005-03-31 [Radioactive Flea]: I've grown weary of him. He's everywhere bringing down the IQ one posting at a time.

2005-03-31 [Rizzen]: aye. He showed up at my wiki a while ago, and I just deleated every one of his posts. Didn't matter what he actually said, I just didn't want to deal with him

2005-03-31 [Mayuya]: Stimpy say "to laugh"???, in this case I'm with snowboarding....is just sick....and stimpy, if you support a cause like me (gay marriage) have tolerance like [Rizzen] and all the members of this wiki have with us.., but that's not the case, they don't support, we or I support the cause and I'm here just for discusion in a civilizated form (again, sorry my english), and I want to say thanks to the members of this wiki for give me space to make my comments.....Stimpy, you really must be a little more careful with that kind of comments....

2005-03-31 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: we could just report him to guards, they tend to threaten to kick ppl off if they post comments in wikis they have been kicked out of

2005-03-31 [Rizzen]: that could work

2005-03-31 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: It worked for me

2005-03-31 [Rizzen]: when?

2005-03-31 [i am heddas lost brother]: seriously i changed why wont you believe me?

2005-03-31 [i am heddas lost brother]: am sorry for every comment i made earlier

2005-03-31 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: oh, a few times on my wikis

2005-03-31 [Rizzen]: you were being okay, but then you pulled that laughing thing

2005-04-01 [duende_negro]: Rizzen is right, It's not right what you said "laugh" ?, I think it's sick.

2005-04-02 [morphyguy]: he probably wasn't laughing at that.

2005-04-02 [i am heddas lost brother]: seriously what is so sick about laughing?!

2005-04-02 [i am heddas lost brother]: you are talking about some little girl or something, dunno what it was but wasnt laughin about that..........

2005-04-02 [duende_negro]: It's not sick because you laughed... is about what you laughed at (Well what we think you laughed at...). There -_-. Just a comment.

2005-04-02 [Mayuya]: I agree with [duende_negro], but...what a casuality this one was after that comment (the girl's one)...:s strange, no Stimpy?... >.<

2005-04-02 [Rizzen]: you may say anything you wan't Stimpy, but I remember the your comment well. You referenced the little girl then laughed.

2005-04-03 [morphyguy]: sigh...

2005-04-03 [i am heddas lost brother]: rizzen, dude, no, i wasnt laughin at that. it was something so un important i dont even remember it man.

2005-04-03 [i am heddas lost brother]: but honestly i dont care what the fuck you think(that shit about the girl wasnt true), im leavin, it was fun here, met some interesting and some dumb people, bye bye cruel world(no just kiddin), bye bye elftown.

2005-04-03 [Mayuya]: bye! ^__^

2005-04-03 [RaineDrop]: MANGOS!

2005-04-03 [duende_negro]: Ow, Hey Rainedrop. Welcome back. (welcomes)

2005-04-03 [RaineDrop]: ello...i have no idea what i missed, so i didn't bother to read it all...how are yall doing?

2005-04-03 [duende_negro]: WellI'm doin ggod, I guess. How have you been ?

2005-04-03 [RaineDrop]: depressed, lonely, same old same old....

2005-04-03 [duende_negro]: Did you heard bout the news? Sad wasn't it.

2005-04-03 [RaineDrop]: which news? it changes everyday....and it's different depending on where you are....

2005-04-03 [duende_negro]: Well about the Pope...

2005-04-03 [RaineDrop]: oh, him...i have first dibs on the Pope-mobile...

2005-04-03 [Mayuya]: dibs? what you mean....?

2005-04-03 [Zegrapefruitgod]: she gets the pope-mobile. the poor guy.

2005-04-04 [Rizzen]: poor guy? Hardly. He was a true champion of God. I have no doubt that he sits with the lord at this moment in heaven. Poor him? I say poor us

2005-04-04 [Radioactive Flea]: He was a person no different than you or I.

2005-04-04 [Rizzen]: true, however, he was Christian. That alone sets him apart

2005-04-04 [Radioactive Flea]: My whole family is Christian and devout in our stance. Anyone can become one.

2005-04-04 [Rizzen]: exactelly. The reason I say poor us is because we are still here. Though I love my life, I'd rather be in heaven with my Lord

2005-04-04 [Radioactive Flea]: As would I, considering we're in the end times.

2005-04-04 [Mayuya]: I can be with gays rights, but I'm catholic and I say..."John Paul II"...a great man, a great fighter for the humanity, peace, love, againts from the racims or no tolerance...he was a great man, and he is sure beside God...I can see him real near in the Vatican, he makes me cry from happiness, love, friendship, sweetness...I'm happy because he is with God, I'm unhappy because we lose him like a man, but always be in my heart...beautiful memory that one when I saw and hear him talk and bless people in the Vatican, me and my parents...beautiful way he took to life...really beautiful one...I never thought that I can meet him, and I did it...

2005-04-04 [Rizzen]: you met John Paul II? I am quite envious

2005-04-04 [Mayuya]: He went to Venezuela two times in 1985 and 1996, I can't see him in 1985 but in 1996 I could, the route was near my house so I just went down to the principal avenue and I could see him for a second time in the Pope Mobile, yes a car but was him, the first time I hear him more than 2 hours telling a speech to close "the Marian year" in the Vatican, the second just in the route near my home in Venezuela, so I'm thankful to God to give me this beautiful present, life, with him as a Pope 26 years in the Vatican, I could see when he was elect, and now i can see how he is going beside our Father and learn from him love, sweet, friendship...every good thing over the world...

2005-04-04 [Rizzen]: you are very lucky. I would love to have seen him while he was alive

2005-04-04 [Mayuya]: don't be envous [Rizzen] , I just have the oportunitty to be with him in the same room, but real near, not a private , but not for all people in the Vatican teather...I can say [Rizzen] was just luck we had that day in the Vatican...the only one day i get there, I know a father who knews the Mother Theresa of Calcuta and John Paul II...and this father is real near our family, and I have three more things to tell...I have a figure of the Mystic Rose that my auncle give to me...we were praying and the mystic rose in the night when almost all people gone from my house, gives to us this little shiny thinks, and inside my fax there where too

2005-04-04 [Mayuya]: I needed to send a paper and this (the fax machine) not funtion that time, so I open to change the paper or see what was going on , and was all full of this shiny things, I think and remind that I did some copys of the pray in the fax machine, so I have the roses smell in my home too, some times, when we have no roses over there....God and the Virgin Mary are real, I can be with gays rights but...love is just one, and God told me in that way, Pope, Virgin and smell...what more I need...?...that's why i'm looking for a balance, God wants a balance...balance makes world becomes good again...I just have luck [Rizzen] but all I say is true...and I know you know that...those are so beautiful 

2005-04-04 [Mayuya]: memories, you know i'm epileptic, well when i see the shiny silver ray from the night sky and all those shiny things, because was like that a ray...a ray of silver light, i have a seizure , I get to emotioned the same when i see my fax machine...I'm not saying that catholics are the ones, the best, no we are very far from be the best...but we need to work hand by hand with all the religions and the ones that don't believe too to make a better world with all this lessons that John Paul II left to us....

2005-04-04 [Rizzen]: indeed. Your words ring very true

2005-04-04 [Mayuya]: really I don't need to lie...

2005-04-05 [Rizzen]: never thought for a minute that you did

2005-04-05 [morphyguy]: that poor guy. he was suffering a lot.

2005-04-05 [Rizzen]: he was, but now he reasts in eternal peace

2005-04-05 [Mayuya]: and he give to us the best of himself, so we need to be sad for us, not for him, he is with God now, we still in the earth....I hope the next Pope be just a little like this one, if don't, it could be a back in the church....he must be a open Pope, for the young people and "third wold" people, poor people, and all religions...I hope....well good night, sweet dreams.....

2005-04-06 [RaineDrop]: damn...i need to stop leaving for days at a time...what's going down now?....um...MANGOS!

2005-04-06 [Rizzen]: how very inappropriate that was

2005-04-06 [RaineDrop]: ?

2005-04-06 [Mayuya]: was with [RaineDrop] or me...[Rizzen] ??, sorry if i say somenthing bad... :s

2005-04-06 [RaineDrop]: i don't know...i just sort'a showed up...but knowing me, i messed everything upagain with my stupidity...i'll go now

2005-04-06 [Mayuya]: well bye [RaineDrop]...good night

2005-04-06 [Mayuya]: I'm going...have sweet dreams....see ya tomorrow...I hope...!

2005-04-06 [Rizzen]: don't worry [Mayuya], I was reffering to [raindrop], not what you said. And don't go Rain, not because of one incident

2005-04-06 [Mayuya]: oh ok....thanks [Rizzen] ^^

2005-04-06 [Rizzen]: no problem

2005-04-06 [RaineDrop]: what the hell were you yelling at me for ANYWAYS....

2005-04-06 [Mayuya]: i wasn't yelling :S

2005-04-06 [RaineDrop]: no, [Rizzen]...he bloody yelled at me the moment i showed up here.....

2005-04-06 [Mayuya]: but [Rizzen]wasn't yelling neither, just give and opinion.....nobody yeald [RaineDrop]....

2005-04-07 [Rizzen]: I never yelled. I was merely stating my opinion that there was perhaps a better way to get back in the discussion than shouting out "Mangos". Even I at my most stupid moment wouldn't dare interupt a serious discussion about the recently deceased like that

2005-04-07 [Mayuya]: I really don't understand you [RaineDrop] you tell that u are catholic and say parts of the bible, but...well, is hard to say, maybe you think i'm yelling or disturbing with my opinion, but I guess saying "MANGOS" (that is a fruit) in a really serious moment to the catholic church, is a little bit strange for me.... :s

2005-04-07 [Kurai Tenma]: Hmmm....

2005-04-07 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Oh come on people! Lighten up! Who hasn't shouted something random in the middle of a conversation? Get off her back. I agree that it is sad that the pope died but you had ended the conversation and Mayuya was going to bed So what's the big deal?!

2005-04-08 [Mayuya]: well i was going to bed because it was really late... :s....hum, but yes is really sad, and very sad for me that the pope die, but yes i agree, all people say somenthing in middle of conversation, somenthing with no sense some times ok? (nothing personal), I did sometimes so is not a big deal...but maybe wsn't the moment to say it...i think people must see better when they talk (including me) and try to talk in the same theme or somenthing relationated..... :s i guess

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: i am not catholic...actually, i hate catholics with a passion...i just showed up and said Magos and get yelled at...so fuck all of you...i have nothing against the pope, but you can all fuck yourselves if you feel you have the right to tell me off for showing up while you talk about an old dead fart...i have heard enough of him on the news already thank you

2005-04-09 [Radioactive Flea]: What a pretty little dirty mouth you have. I know you're more capable of a higher plain of thought than that.

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: i know i am, and you know what? i don't care anymore...i am mad i am crying, i have torn apart my house...i want to die, but can't...so i feel like fucking cussing....i'm sorry...

2005-04-09 [Radioactive Flea]: If you take anything anyone says over the internet to heart then you'll be in a perpetual state of anger. The internet is the worlds outlet, no matter the IQ if you've got a port,computer, and serve "You've got mail!"

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: i am not mad at the computer, but t other things...people online just happen to piss me off when i'm already snapped

2005-04-09 [Radioactive Flea]: Honestly I'm tired of hearing about one man who was no greater than anyone else as well. He was human, fallible nothing more nothing less. Anyone can reach God by accepting his one and only son Jesus.

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: it makes me mad when they compare his death to jesus' sacrifice, or that he is "up in heaven, at the right hand of god where he belongs"...i was ready to kill someone when i heard that....that is JESUS's SPOT! the right hand of god is god's SON'S SPOT! that is the mopst DISGUSTING thing i have ever heard in my life whrn i heard them saying that about a mere sinful, imperfect man

2005-04-09 [Radioactive Flea]: I agree with you. But you could still tell them this in a way less . . . abrasive.

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: i bet i could too if i were in more of a sane state of mind

2005-04-09 [Radioactive Flea]: What is sanity? Normalicy or a state of malice of the mind?

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: i don't know...but, the fact that i have to be medicated to leave the house and NOT have a break down says something about my mental state

2005-04-09 [Mayuya]: I never compare the Pope with Jesus....Pope was a human, a man...a great man, but was one, Jesus only one that are Father, Son And holy gosht just in one ...so no one is comparing the pope with Jesus, just that we think he have a beautiful life, working for the peace, family, and a lot more, try to consiliate with all religions , so is somenthing bad with that, and [RaineDrop] excusas but i thougth you was catholic, sorry, it was a misunderstanding from my part....

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: no, i heard all that about the pope on the news....i didn't read what any of you wrote in your messages....and don't worry about it, i'm not catholic, but christian

2005-04-09 [Mayuya]: ah ok...so what religion do you have, ?

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: non spacifically....

2005-04-09 [Mayuya]: ok.....thanks...^^

2005-04-09 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Awww don't be mad Raine....I stood up for you didn't I? I am so glad that someone else is pissed off about that whole "pope at God's right hand" thing, it pissed me off as well....

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: it's like them saying he is better than jesus, and i take offence to that

2005-04-09 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: oh I do too.. I was so mad! But ya....People are just stupid

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: *nods*

2005-04-09 [Rizzen]: I don't recall anyone saying the pope was at the right hand of God

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: i do...it was on, i believe, fox news, not but a few days ago....

2005-04-09 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: yippers. It was on a few other stations as well

2005-04-09 [RaineDrop]: it was sickening to hear, i had to double take to just make sure i HEARD it correctly, it was THAT outragious

2005-04-10 [Rizzen]: that is just pathetic then. One would think that if you'r going to report on someone, you'd make sure enough not to say anything that person themself would disagree with

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: it was an interview with some church guy, it wasn't a reporter...but honestly, i was like, are they NUTS? that goes COMPLETELY against church teachings right THERE!

2005-04-10 [Rizzen]: unless of course he used the wrong words. It happens to people all the time, and this "church guy" is no different. And you do have to realize, the term "sit at the right hand" of whoever is a common expression, or at the very least a well known one

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: he litterally quoted the bible, changing "jesus" to "john pule the seccond" honestly, it wasn't like it was out of context, they are seriously making him out to be somethingh more than he is, comparing his deatgh to that of jesus' sacrifice...it makes me sick

2005-04-10 [Rizzen]: ah, that I did not know. In that case your anger is completelly justified

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: *nods* it's just like, he was a mMAN, yes, to catholics a very holy man, but still JUST a man!

2005-04-10 [Rizzen]: exactelly. Anyway, I'm gonna log off, I have a bunch of stuff to take care of

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: kk...um...MANGOS!....(^_^)

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: Hey [RaineDrop] all that you say is justified...catholics schools, and religion that in our homes teach, maybe that guy had the wrong vision or maybe they don't teach good to him, I can say is at the right of the father, but in a sense that was a good man, and do good things etc...and maybe was just and expression to say , he is in heaven, I think he is in heaven, like I think my grandmom is in heaven too, cuz they have a good live, but never like Jesus...at the least maybe he could be a saint but we don't know that yet...is like Pope John XXIII , that they take out his body and is incorrupt...well that give to us much to think...but whatever it could be... just God knows

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: I think is all I have to say about it...my grandmother teach me, "religion, politics" it can't be discuss because never we get and acord....

2005-04-10 [Kayne]: Do you people think the pope was a good man who did a lot for the world?

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: i don't personally.

2005-04-10 [Kayne]: Luckely. He was kind of a massmurder.

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: yeah...that and a mass brainwasher...he did some good, but just as much bad.

2005-04-10 [Kayne]: No. He did more evil then good.

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: well, since i can't get into more than a few specifics, so i try not to speak so boldly without something to back it up. but i must say, i feel that way about him too

2005-04-10 [Kayne]: Meh, I've read a (short) bio.

2005-04-10 [Lioness123]: I can't believe you guys just said that. *is flabbergasted* How could you guys even begin to think that the pope, who took a very bold stand to protect human life and the unborn, was a mass-murderer..?! And that he did more evil than good?

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: i just don't like how people gave a mere man so much power when it comes to GOD...he is no holier than me or you, or anyone else. he is just a bloody man

2005-04-10 [Lioness123]: you'd have to know more about the Catholic faith to understand.

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: well lioness, look at africa...how many of his little Catholic sheites killed those tribes...(can't spell it, um, tutsies? something) he was a VERY worldly man, and i never liked him

2005-04-10 [Lioness123]: you don't have to like him. Just be aware that what you (and not just you) say about the leader of a church in a public wiki can be very insulting to other people.

2005-04-10 [Kayne]: His vieuw on condoms, and therefore the fact that it was forbidden by church to use condoms has made sure that AIDS had the oppurtunity to spread freely in Africa. But indeed, for the Western world he was a saint who did a lot of good things. Why should we care about Africa?

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: well, her i go with the "insulting"...i think he was a corupt and bad man. he stole money, he lead more people to their deaths than the last 3 american presidents have combined. and he mislead/brainwashed people....he did SOME good, but he also did a LOT of bad. besided. NO MAN should be treated so holy as he was. he was JUST a MAN

2005-04-10 [Lioness123]: please, enlighten us. What did he do to steal money, brainwash people, etc.?

2005-04-10 [Kayne]: Steal money => I don't know. Brainwash people: It's a organised religion. => Bad by definition. And he did - indirectly - killed all those Africans. But let's not care about that.

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: the Catholic church, lets see, some years ago, was caught imbeziling over 100 million dollars which then the pope helped cover up and smooth over. same with the child molesting. that went on for DECADES before it got out to the public. THEN, and ONLY then, did the pope say anything/ do anything about it. and brainwash, the tribes in africa he and the church (through his visits) got to kil opposing non catholic tribes...

2005-04-10 [Lioness123]: I could debate with you all day about organized religion, but I doubt we'd agree on something. Just know I really disagree with you on that one. I'm kinda suprised that you feel this way...coming from a country thats 75% Roman Catholic. As for killing Africans, did he cause their deaths? What in his power could be possibly have done (staying within the teachings of the church) to save them? What could YOU have done to save them?

2005-04-10 [Kayne]: Me? Nothing

2005-04-10 [Lioness123]: I would stay and talk about this more, but I gotta go get ready for work. Have a good one, yall.

2005-04-10 [Kayne]: Me? Nothing. Him? A lot. Allowing condoms is just one mayor factot. And Belgium has 75% Roman Catholic in name. Thrust me when I say that maybe 20% of them actually believes in a god. Belgium is not a religious country any more.

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: regardless of here kaynec is from, couldn't he just be part of the 25% that ISN"T catholic? SOMEONE has to make up that percent you know...and it's funny, of the 1.5billion catholics in the world, not even 100million are active members that go to church, pray, and follow the teachings of the church. and as for condoms...the church is RETARDED in that aspect. what is wrong with using condoms? they keep the sperm away from the woman, it's cleaner, and it helps prevent STDs and AIDS...oh yes, i forgot, the church teaches that even masturbation is "murder"...BS! for men? what about woman? what are they killing when they masturbate?

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: and the church is also against the "pill" because they follow and teach the belief that is "keep a woman from staying pregnant" which is a flat out LIE...after you have been on the pill for more than 2 months, it keeps a woman from OVULATING! meaning she doesn't release any EGGS! she still menstruates without the egg also being expelled from the body. so really, if sperm were to get to her, there would be no egg to fertilize, and the uterus lining would be expelled, unused, with no egg, her next period. so what is the church's beef with the pill and condoms may I ask?

2005-04-10 [deus-ex-machina]: Ooooh - hello again RaineDrop... Don't worry, I agree with the views on the Pope :P

2005-04-10 [deus-ex-machina]: Hang on... Wasn't I shoo'ed away from this wiki once before? O.o Oh well, I'm back.

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: I just want to ask you something [RaineDrop] , you say that you are christian, and you know a lot about the Bible, so in the Bible says that having sex is just for procreation, so that's the way the real religion is, so he, the Pope,can't go againts the Bible, we know men and women are sinners even the Pope, so the Bible says man and woman, ok, (i don't agree completly but it says that), procreation,etc..so birth control with condoms, or pills go againts the religion...in fact all humans go againts the religions, we aren't perfect, we are free to take one choice, so that's the great gift that God give to humans,freedom to elect..if a Pope says don't use condoms or pills are rules...

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: ...that the religion has, maybe the next Pope says no ..better use natal control...you are saying we are humans, you are saying we do mistakes, maybe religions: catholic, christian, hebrews, muslims, evangelic etc..churchs has them rules, and i respect them, we can go againts one two or more rules but it doesn't mean that u need to talk in that way ...does the Pope put on african people knifes?, does the Pope put on Mr. Bush the power to say bomb Irak???...and Mr. Bush is real catholic i guess, what can you do against it???, i can't go to africa and say that's wrong , but no more, you can't go to the white house and say Mr. Bush please, that war, no!, but is there...is a choice

2005-04-10 [deus-ex-machina]: I wish you spoke better English so I could understand you... I'm sure you're making good points. >.O

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: Pope just did what he had in his hands to talk about peace, in a lot of languages, but he was the human-head of a religion, he can't do more, or Arafat do?, I guess no, is a shame [RaineDrop] being you so christian like i thougt you was, hear you telling this, do you have the papers that Pope John Paul II stole money? no, not yet at least, we don't know but in my perpective i guess no, fighting against the comunims with the word is bad? ...well is your thinking, but like i say, religion and politics, don't discuss because never will have an acord.....

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: sex is for procreation meaning it is for a MAN and a WOman and it being Vaginal (rather than anal or oral) BUT, sexual acts like masturbation are NOT sex and not spoken against in the bible. and leave Bush alone...he did what he needed to do. don't get me started on that or i will make you life hell with all i know about the polotics of the war. the condom and the pill protect a maried couple from having a baby when it is not a good time for them. you telling me if i'm married, i'm not allowed to have sex on my big night because we don't have the money for a baby at that moment? the chruch teaches the "natural" way to prevent pregnancy by having sex only at certain times, doesn't that go

2005-04-10 [RaineDrop]: against your argument? "sex is for procreation" so why plan out when you can have sex when you are least likely to get pregnant? that's BS, if you are doing that, that means you are having sex and TRYING not to get pregnant....so what's the diff with using a condom or the pill? NOTHING...your argument is really moot there

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: well i knew my english is real bad....i need to learn to think in english and is really difficult to me, I'm sorry, ...I wish i can someday...talk and write it real good...as you ^^...I'll go to an academy for english classes....^^;; (I need it ^^;;...!!!)

2005-04-10 [deus-ex-machina]: I wasn't trying to be mean, lol, I get the majority of it, but some points are still a little confusing. Anyway, I'll read on, before [dfafadsfasdasf] shouts at me. ;)

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: i do use condoms, i'm just telling that is againts the religion, so? I know is againts and i do, and yes MR. BUSH KILL A LOT OF PEOPLE AND HE DON'T HAVE THE LIFE OF THE PEOPLE IN HIS HANDS TO SAY WHO WILL BE KILL AND WHO NO, HE IS NOT GOD NEITHER AND YOU ARE LIKE TELLIÑG ME HE IS , REFUSE ME THAT, TELL ME....PLEASE TELL ME HE IS AND I WILL GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE PUT ON MY KNEES, KISS HIS FEET AND I WILL SAY "PARDON ME MR. BUSH-GOD....!!"

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: And i'm sorry with the Bush people over here, but he is a "democrat hitler"....all presidents like the first minister Tony Blair that give U.K. support are Hitlers....all the people that take a life out is a hitler....and more if they are againts one religion, or race like the muslims, catholics, hebrews, evangelic etc..all that take a life is a Hitler yes he is one just he "wash your brain" Miss [RaineDrop] equal like the Pope who said "Because you are africans I'm here in peace,visiting you,so my message, kill one each other"(sarcastic) ...and you supporting a real killer are so good in religion!, you have an A+....and sorry but that's why i think about WAR killers.

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR...!!! GREAT....ANOTHER WWII, ANOTHER DESERT STORM, ANOTHER VIETNAM......YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH.....THAT'S GREAT ANOTHER HIROSHIMA!!!!!!

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: OR MAYBE NAGASAKI!!!!!!!! YEAHHHHHHHHHH...THE WAVE!!!!!!!!!! think please kids murders, women,men, WHYYYYYYYYYY???? is Mr. Bush above GOD????? or whatever be the president of any nation on the world!!!!.....goooooooo KIDS MURDERSSSSS great!!!!

2005-04-10 [Mayuya]: So I'm sorry [dfafadsfasdasf] because my behavior but it is what i think...and somenthing, WHEN I SAY WAR KILLERS I won't refered about no one specific over here, is a wiki and is open, if i need to go, just tell me and i will go....but i'm not deacord with wars......NEVER

2005-04-10 [Radioactive Flea]: Personally we did choose the lesser of the two evils. Though it was unpartriotic to take Nader off the ballet and I'm sure against some addmendment, not sure which though, but out of Bush of Kerry I'd go for Bush and I did. Don't worry your preciouse little heads off our world's time is coming to a close. The next president we have will be the Great Deciever as with correlation of the Mayan Prophecies and the Bible.

2005-04-11 [Rizzen]: actually, I don't think the next president will be the anti-christ (I assume that's what you'r talking about), as there are specific references to the anti-christs great army coming from the east. As for all this argument before, I have to side with Mayuya, Bush royally screwed up with his war. As for the big thing about the pope, I have yet to see anyone really support their arguments about the pope being a bad person. Someone talked about condoms and AIDS, that was not the pope's fault. Yes the spoke out against condoms, but that didn't influence the african AIDS epidemic, people being far to promiscuous increased the spread of the disease. As for any other allogations, please, show

2005-04-11 [Rizzen]: some proof and I will begin to consider the accusations

2005-04-11 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: *does a double take* uh question. who said that Bush was above God? No one that I know...Anyways there is no justification in calling Bush a second Hitler. Yes he has made some stupid desisions but he has not Mass Murdered anyone. I do not understand why people completely disregard 911 (which killed way more people that the Iranqi war) and straight away point the finger at Bush and say "You Bastard you're just after their oil!" How can you even think that?! What was Bush supposed to do? Ignore Saddam? He had to make a choice and I support it. He did what he thought was best for his country. It may not have acctually been for the best but he did not know that at the time now did he?

2005-04-11 [Rizzen]: best for his country? There is no connection between 911 and Iraq. He did what was best for his country when he sent his army to Afganistan, but Iraq was completelly out of the blue. Tell me, was it best for the country to wast money and lives to search for WMDs that aren't there? Iraq posed zero threat to the United States

2005-04-11 [Radioactive Flea]: As they say "hind sight is 20/20". Can't blame a man for being a man.

2005-04-11 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Everyone can claim that they would have done it differently but until they are put in that situation they will not know how they would react, no matter what they may claim

2005-04-11 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: and I know that Bush has made some stupid mistakes but Would Al Gore or Kerry have been any better? I doubt it...

2005-04-11 [Rizzen]: I'd have to say no. Once Bush sent troops in, there was no pulling out. However, had Kerry seemed more trustworthy, I'd have gone with him, as he has more combat experiance

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: combat experience the point is, not to make war, no one of the presidents or liders of the world, the point is that Hitler kill thousands, a killer just one, and for me are the same, killing is not good for anything, just try tears, kids without parents, killed kids, women in pregnacy, like killer too...but even Bush or anyone and I repeat any one else, like Al Gore, Chavez in venezuela, Pinochet in Chile, Franco in Spain, Hitler in Germany or wxy in a little town of any country is a Hitler if he kill just one person...peace is what we need not war...

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: oh in all of the cases i was talking by religion and put and example with the Irak war with Mr. Bush...so this girl say that she knows more than me, of course she knows I'm latin, and i recent come to US because my husband lives here, [RaineDrop]said:"and leave Bush alone...he did what he needed to do. don't get me started on that or i will make you life hell with all i know about the polotics of the war...", so whats that, saying YOU ARE GREAT WAR, no miss [RaineDrop]??...

2005-04-11 [Lioness123]: good Lord, I missed alot while I was gone.

2005-04-11 [Lioness123]: is it just me or do any of you ever get tired of debating all the time?

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: yes i guess you missed a lot, but in all of the cases you can go to older msg's ^^

2005-04-11 [Ulaan]: he he good on u

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: ^^

2005-04-11 [deus-ex-machina]: Most. Conservative Wiki. EVAR!

2005-04-11 [Kayne]: 911 (which killed way more people that the Iranqi war) - Yes, that's soooo true. There have died more Americans with 911.

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: thanks GOD i'm from latin america and new over here, politics are dirty, in all the planet, it could have some good things but...no way , the reality (is not well spelling sorry) unless [RaineDrop] says no, like always, is that the politics is very corrupt, here, there....money corrupts people, maybe not all but the majority, in all the govermmets in all the planet, 911 , or in Venezuela that is now a censured tv, radio and newspapers i guess is equal in all...what i mean is always be somenthing that we dislike, and the corruption will be there...I'm lawyer, but i leave that, is dirty all i see politics real near...is a great theme i like to talk about

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: you just know about what you want to know (in general) you don't see at the sides, the poor people, schools, latin america, communims, US wants oil, so they don't care Venezuela is being a new Cuba if they give oil......so politics are dirty, i'm american too,Latin-American but American at least ...all great govermmet fall, soon will be european turn...

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: ...again, that's life law...isn't because i say, is a law...a life law just that.....

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: well [RaineDrop] start to making my life a hell,you said that, i'm waiting, maybe i won't sleep because you make my life a hell, because the dirty politics of Bush, Chavez, Castro, Blair, Fox, Rodrigues Zapatero, and many others...start i'm waiting,maybe you know more about politics , why not?, but i have more experience with the life ...your words are empty words trying to make me be afraid of you ....i still having my point of view...and you , yours....so be intelligent .... and remember i was talking about religion and making some examples but i guess Bush-God seems daddy*.ok....i'm sorry for tell to your "daddy* killer" ok...bye! {*=>go to}

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: oh [RaineDrop] remember that the books don't have all the answers and a lot of them are not true is just a guide, life have , not books....and a BIG kiss to your daddy Bush-God.......or Kerry if you want, maybe is CASTRO or Pinochet, Fox, do you know who was Perez Jimenez? i'm sure not, or the stupid of Hugo Chavez (sorry but i hate him), or Lula Da Silva, Rodrigez Zapatero, Uribe, many more is your choice all are the same.....for me at least....

2005-04-11 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Ok you know what? As long as sin is in the world there will be death war and murder. Nothing is going to change that! So get over it! And I have a question.. I thought you were a model? Are you a lawyer as well? Cause if you are you have no right to be condeming the world for having "dirty politics" because like it or not, you are adding to the filth. We ALL ARE! And if you want to be called "Christian" which is not a term meaning "relitvely good" then you had better believe that the BIBLE is Infalible. That is what christianity is based on. If parts of the Bible are "wrong" how do you know which is which?

2005-04-11 [Mayuya]: yes i am but who told to you that i didn't went to the university too????